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  1. snowyh

    Puzzled

    Actually, what I was trying to offer in my earlier post is the mathematical proof, stated from a slightly different perspective than Roz's explanation, that the puzzle is indeed an optical illusion. The key is--neither composite figure is a perfect triangle. (They're close, which is why your rough-cut carpentry failed to reveal the illusion.) If they were, then the sum of the areas of each internal piece would equal the calculation of the area of the composite (length x height / 2). But they don't. Fig 1's area is a little short, and Fig 2's area is a little over what they should be--hence the concave/convex discussion. The difference is very small, which is why the illusion is so convincing! This was a good puzzle. Thanks for posting it.
  2. The last time I got my driver's license renewed the clerk asked me to place my right thumb on the fingerprint pad. I just stared at her blankly until... she... GOT IT!
  3. snowyh

    Puzzled

    Try thinking of it this way, Jim. If you compute the area of each piece in the first figure, you get: Red - 12 squares (3x8/2) Dark green - 5 squares (2x5/2) Orange - 7 squares Light green - 8 squares Sum - 32 squares However, if you compute the area of the composite triangle (5x13/2), it's 32.5 squares. The sum af the areas of the pieces in the second figure is 33 squares (32+1 extra). Does this help explain the optical illusion? It's the same thing Roz was saying about the grades of the hypotenuses of the red and green triangles not being equal. Her explanation meant that the sum of the parts would not equal the whole in either figure. The above area calculations prove her explanation to be correct!
  4. snowyh

    Big Howdy from Texas!

    Hello, All. My name is Helen and I had a right forequarter amputation (arm, shoulder, collar bone & shoulder blade) at age 15 due to osteogenic sarcoma. I have, but rarely wear, a shoulder prosthesis--no arm pros. I'm a CPA, currently working as Director of Accounting for a national non-profit organization (10 years now). I'm 49 years old, have never been married, and have no children. My interests are hiking, tent camping, treehouses, antique biplanes, yodeling & acoustic folk music. I am an active member of several amputee forums & Yahoo discussion groups, which is where I first heard of devotees (this all came about last year, mind you). Since then I have learned a lot about the atttraction, and have even joined a disabled dating website. Am curently corresponding with a few devs, and have found them to be intelligent, articulate & respectful on the whole. I think I'm as curious about them as they are about me!
  5. snowyh

    FAO Admin - Does she?

    I second that, Muz!
  6. snowyh

    shame about the topic that was locked

    I had the same thought as well, trwinship, but knowing nothing of the lady other than that she married ex-Beatle Paul and is a model and spokesperson against landmines, I decided to order her book, A Single Step. It appears to be out of print, so I was able to pick up a new copy for only $3 + S&H through amazon. I look forward to finding out whether she sees herself as a role model for other amputees. In particular, what was her motivation for creating this discussion forum? Did she just lend her name to it, with no real participation or guidance, or was she actively involved (at least at the beginning)? I think it wise of her NOT to be a visible presence in this discussion forum, as her participation would likely stifle free expression. I fear that, once HMM will have spoken, all would either fall in line or fall silent (IMHO). Hmm... I wonder how she feels about Iceross liners?
  7. snowyh

    Dump it all here

    Why, thank you, DF! Today happens to be the 34th anniversary of my amputation, so I'll accept your congratulations. (If I recall correctly, 1/13/72 was a Friday the 13th as well.) Welcome back!
  8. snowyh

    shame about the topic that was locked

    I, too, was sad to see the New Devotee Site topic locked. I value the free exchange of ideas, especially with people like oneleggedtog, who had direct knowledge of what he spoke. Even though our experiences brought us to different conclusions, it was great that we could, for a time, exchange our experiences and opinions. Isn't that how we learn? There are aspects to being an amputee about which not everyone agrees. "I like the Iceross liner." "I had a bad experience with Iceross liners." Those who feel disharmony just because not everyone shares their opinion should simply leave the thread, and let the debate between the different camps enlighten anyone who has a sincere interest in learning about Iceross liners from those who have actually used them. I wouldn't want to live in a world free of disharmony--it's what keeps us questioning, growing, thriving. Utopia would be damn boring. Wasn't there a Twilight Zone episode about this, where the residents at first thought they were in heaven, and then came to realize they were really in hell?
  9. snowyh

    Big Howdy from Texas!

    Thanks for the welcome, guys. Ted, only one more day before reapplying nose to grindstone--hope you do something fun with your last day of freedom! If you're ever in Houston, give me a shout.
  10. snowyh

    New Devotee Site

    You'd think so, wouldn't you? But apparently, for many a discriminating dev, all my wonderful qualities have not been enough to make them want to pull up stakes and move to Houston. Guess I didn't have the total package... just the missing limb part.
  11. snowyh

    New Devotee Site

    Reread the above thread if you don't think someone was peddling BS long before my arrival. I'm apparently one of the few posting on this thread who has even engaged in actual communication with a dev. It is my opinion, based on my REAL experiences. What is your opinion based on? What makes you think I'm not content with HMM? I just saw a dark corner and tried to shed a little light, that's all. I love a good exchange of ideas with people who don't see things exactly as I do--the world (and this forum) would be a pretty boring place if we all thought alike. Was I mistaken to think y'all wanted to have a little real experience mixed in with all the rumors? I believe you when you say that no one is going to convince you of anything--you've made that quite clear. Me, I like to keep an open mind. Our differences make the world a more interesting place, don't you think?
  12. snowyh

    New Devotee Site

    A pedophile could use the same reasoning Well yes, I'm sure criminals of all kinds have favorite victim profiles. What's your point? Here's mine: NON-DEV DATING CRTIERIA Good - SWF, long blond hair, blue eyes, pretty face, 5'3", 100 lbs dripping wet. Better - All of the above, plus she's intelligent, kind, and has a good career. Best - All of the above, plus her daddy owns an oil well. Pass - All of the above, plus she's SAK. DEVOTEE DATING CRITERIA Good - SWF, long blond hair, blue eyes, pretty face, 5'3", 100 lbs dripping wet. Better - All of the above, plus she's intelligent, kind, and has a good career. Best - All of the above, plus she's SAK.
  13. snowyh

    New Devotee Site

    Thank you for your cautionary words, oneleggedtog. The first question I posed on the first devotee discussion group I joined was whether there was a list somewhere of the "bad" devs. Didn't want to send a pic and then have it show up all over the Internet, you know. The responses I received said to just take normal precautions. Rule of thumb--don't send anyone a picture you wouldn't want to see plastered all over the Internet. This is, of course, the same advice one would give to anyone posting or emailing a picture of themselves (it's not particular to devs). They also recommended getting to know someone first before giving them my last name, address or phone #. Again, good general advice. I'm getting to be a pretty good Internet detective. Once I obtained certain information from the devs directly, I have been able to independently confirm that they are 1) a university research engineer, 2) an airline pilot, and 3) a city council member. (This may be more difficult to do with non-professionals, however.) They're in more of a position of risk than I am, now that I have their employer's contact info. I also verify that they live where they say they live. Beyond that, you just have to trust them--same as anyone else you meet online (or in person, for that matter). Another cool trick I learned was to google their username. If they use it on the dating site, they may use it elsewhere. This way you can find postings they may have made on discussion forums on a variety of topics, and gain insight into the way they think. If you're lucky, you'll be able to find out how they talk about lady amps when they think they're just talking to other devs. As far as details of encounters showing up, well, I'll just have to accept that risk. But keep in mind, this could happen to anyone, not just amps dating devs. There are bad apples in every barrel--we have to do the best we can to figure out who's who. But I can't live my life in a prison for fear that someone might share a photo I sent of myself, fully clothed, with empty sleeve clearly visible. Some consider this "dev porn", but to me it's just a picture that I wouldn't mind being printed in the Houston Chronicle.
  14. snowyh

    New Devotee Site

    You betcha! I surely did want to make contact with men who not only didn't care that I was an amputee, but even considered it a plus! It was like dropping my line into a stocked pond. Heck yes, I knew there would be devs there--I assumed that was the whole point of disabled dating sites. That's why they have a category for non-disabled members--Helllooooo! And, it did not escape my attention that I got to join for free and the ABs had to pay. The devs are the bread and butter of these sites. It's kinda like Ladies Drink Free night at the local bar--the ladies aren't just going for the free booze, they expect to find men there. And they do.
  15. snowyh

    New Devotee Site

    You bet they are (and God bless 'em)! Most human beings would not even date someone at all unless there was some sort of physical attraction first. It's shallow, but that's we way we are. Criteria such as facial features, body type, hair color/length, height, weight, skin color, etc. Devs just happen to have one unconventional trait on the list--a missing limb. It lifts my spirits to find there are people who consider it an asset that I only have one arm, rather than a liability. Now that we're interested based on each other's physical appearance, we move on to how well our potential mates meet criteria group #2: religion, politics, family, finances, job stability, etc. If there are not enough other elements of attraction, the relationship goes nowhere. Devs are no different than the rest of us--they're looking for a special combination of traits in a potential mate. And like the rest of us, they have turn over a lot of rocks to find the right partner.
  16. snowyh

    New Devotee Site

    You're right, Muchly, to wonder why I joined this forum. I am an active participant in other amputee forums & discussion groups, and that's how I heard about this thread. When I read it for myself I was stunned because it was SO one-sided and not based on anyone's actual negative experiences with devs. Except Lynne's... but then the thread took on a (pretty ugly) life of its own. I usually observe a new group before I jump in with MHO. However, in this case, I simply couldn't believe what I was reading, so I contributed to this thread right away. Plus it took 5 days (over New Year's weekend) for the moderators to approve my membership, so I did get in a little reading time. I apologize for not introducing myself first, so I'll just pop over to the New Member section and take care of that right now.
  17. snowyh

    New Devotee Site

    Oneleggedtog, what makes you say this? That's a rather broad brush you use... I'm a member of a well-run Yahoo discussion group for Female Admirers and Amputee Men (though I'm neither), where there's active discussion of the devotee attraction and the reasons for it. Can't say as I've read a single post blaming something nasty in a dev's past that has led her to be attracted to men who are missing limbs. Could you elaborate, please? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point. Helen
  18. snowyh

    Again

    My recommendation is to ignore his message. That ought to take care of it, but if it doesn't, tell him that you're not interested--don't be rude, just clear and firm. Just be sure to communicate w/him via PM, or else he'll see your email addy when you email him. Keep in mind, he most likely DOESN'T have your email address. Any member of this forum can send email to another member, but they are NOT able to see your address unless you choose to make it public in your profile. The email capability on this forum is there to enable members to contact each other privately. To discourage contact from strangers, you might consider listing in your profile that you do not welcome contact from people you don't know. Or word it more precisely: Devs are not welcome--please DO NOT contact me!!! Then if you get an infraction you'll have evidence that a member is not honoring your wishes, and therefore have a better chance of getting them banned. Helen Houston, Texas, USA
  19. snowyh

    New Devotee Site

    One more thought... I've read a lot of vicious commentary about devs in the above thread, but the only example of a real experience with a dev is from Lynne, who started the topic. Her negative experience was being invited to join a devotee site 3 times. OK, she didn't like it, but we've all received unsolicited email from unwanted sources. I just delete them. Still, she related a real experience--so it counts. What came after was just a bunch of venom-spitting, with no basis in real life experiences with devs. I think we need to be cautious about starting rumors or fanning the flames when we base the discussion on imaginary stories. If someone has had a legitimate negative experience with a dev, let them post it here, and then we can all respond with the appropriate level of disgust. But until then, please be aware that y'all are jumping on the dev-bashing bandwagon, without having heard of any real cases of abuse. There ARE some devs who behave badly, but to paint the entire group with horns and a tail seems somewhat unfair. Really, you guys... "sadoooos", "sick puppies", "freakin weirdos"... just for sending an invitation? Keep in mind that, even on this site, HMM has felt the need to defend herself against some rather nasty rumors. Please be mindful of your posts and base them on facts. OK, I've said my piece. Helen Houston, Texas, USA
  20. snowyh

    New Devotee Site

    Me again. Just wanted to add that I only found out about devs about 6 months ago, after being an amputee for more than 3 decades. Since then, however, I have made up for lost time! I joined several Yahoo discussion groups whose focus is the devotee attraction, and through those I have learned a lot about the subject. I would like to share with you a post from one of those groups, with the author's permission. Jim (dev) & Jeri (amp) are a couple from Houston who met at a social function designed to bring amputees and devotees together. Here's a recent post from Jim (edited by me to remove references to other posts not copied here): Were you aware that some men like thin women? Blonds? Tall? Big boobs? Devs are no different. I like Jeri and she pretty much fits the mold of petite blond with moderate boobs. She is also a LAK with a fairly long stump and generally uses forearm crutches. All of this is enough for me to cross a room and say hello. If she is reasonably intelligent, I'd buy her a drink. This is attraction. But I married Jeri because we have similar tastes, attitudes toward money, people and politics. Because we were similar in age and feeling the same way about it. Because she is kind, honest and forgiving. Because she lights up when she smiles and I can feel the warmth all the way to my toes. If my toes return to normal, our relationship might slow down, but in 8 years, they haven't. Her hand fits perfectly in mine. At night, we often lie in bed and hold hands. It is the best part of the day. The fact that my toes tingle and her hand fits mine, has nothing to do with how many legs she has. Other men would feel different. Some would be repelled by the lack of leg, some would prefer redheads, but that's fine, they have no idea what they are missing. And in a later post... I had some further thoughts later on, while Jeri and I were lying side by side. Jeri makes me feel whole. As a dev, I always felt that there was something wrong with me. Jeri accepts the fact that I am a dev. On the other hand, I accept that she is an amputee. Even though I'm retired and she is still working, I get up with her every morning, make coffee and carry her bags to the car and see her off down the driveway. It is our morning togetherness. Now, she is perfectly capable of going to work on her own, and some mornings I am only marginally capable of remembering my name, but we do this anyway. As a dev, I'm aware of her limitations, most of the time. You should be aware of that, because some of your good friends probably forget that you only have one leg, from time to time. A good friend of Jeri's told her to just put one foot on the brake and the other on the clutch when starting a stick shift. Of course, she stopped and then said "Oh, but you only have one leg." She related to Jeri as a person, not a one-legged woman. Some devs consider you as "a life support system for a stump". Others would see a good looking woman who has one leg. Don't be surprised, you can substitue breasts for leg and find the same attitudes. As a dev, I accept Jeri's one leg. She accepts my attraction. It works for us because we both know that there is much more to life. In some cases this would not be true. Some devs are nearly totally fixated on the stump. Some amputees are totally fixated on appearing "normal". In either case, a relationship like ours would probably not work. When Jeri says she'd like to use the wheelchair in Walmart, because she is worried about slipping and falling, I'm OK with that. When she decides to run into Sally's beauty shop on her crutches, I'm fine with that too. As she often tells me she is the amputee, and she will do what works best for her. I encourage crutches, because it gives her more exercise, and the docs tell her to get exercise to keep her blood pressure down. Crutches are great for that, because they burn about 3 times the energy of normal walking. OK, it is early here, and I've only had two cups of coffee and my mind is wandering. I'll leave it at that. Amps and devs are people. Jim I've had dinner with Jim & Jeri a couple of times, and we should all be so lucky to be in such a relationship (disabled or not). We all know men who have exhibited offensive behavior, but that doesn't mean we are going to stop associating with ALL men because of it... right? Please don't judge all devs by the actions of a few. BTW--There are female devs, too, so don't you male amps feel left out! Helen Houston, Texas, USA
  21. snowyh

    New Devotee Site

    Hey, all. I've been an amputee for 34 years now (right forequarter--arm, shoulder, collar bone & shoulder blade), and never thought of myself as being that much different from anyone else. After all, I've pretty much had a normal life. About nine months ago I decided to join my first online dating site. Posted a profile, no pic, and didn't mention the fact that I was an amputee--heck, it's just not that big a part of my life, so why emphasize it? Anyhow, at some point the subject will come up in conversation, and most fellows were not fazed (as I expected). But then, with the space of a week, I was rejected by TWO guys with whom I had built online relationships--suddenly and completely--as soon as I mentioned I was an amputee. What a stunner! That hurt my feelings, and made me realize that people DO look at amputees differently... OUCH! Still reeling from the rejection, and feeling for the first time in my life like "damaged goods", I decided to join a disabled dating website. I knew I would be contacted by devs, and I was (boy, I tell ya, I was the belle of the ball!). Really boosted my ego. On the whole, I have found devs to be an intelligent, clever, articulate, RESPECTFUL lot. Are they all? No. Are all amputees intelligent, clever, articulate & respectful? No. Are some devs jerks? Yes--I have found about the same percentage of devs that are jerks, as men in general. So I just exercise the same caution as I would in meeting anyone on the 'net (or in person, for that matter). QUESTION: So, why is it that we think it's socially acceptable behavior to be repulsed by someone with a physical defect, but it's depraved to be attracted to someone for the same reason? Is it because we think less of ourselves for our missing limbs, and therefore find it easier to accept behavior that supports our own views of ourselves? I say we start calling the jerks that dump us because we have less than the full complement of limbs the "sick puppies", "freakin weirdos" & "wackos" (IMHO). Helen Houston, Texas, USA
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