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Hello to all, i need feedback on the mauch knee sns. I read that alignment is extremely important. Besides that, what advantages does this unit have compared to say, total knee? Pls leave feedback, all mauch users out there. I am thinking of getting a unit from Tru-life, with a black max framework.

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Hello to all, i need feedback on the mauch knee sns. I read that alignment is extremely important. Besides that, what advantages does this unit have compared to say, total knee? Pls leave feedback, all mauch users out there. I am thinking of getting a unit from Tru-life, with a black max framework.

Anybody at all?

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Hello to all, i need feedback on the mauch knee sns. I read that alignment is extremely important. Besides that, what advantages does this unit have compared to say, total knee? Pls leave feedback, all mauch users out there. I am thinking of getting a unit from Tru-life, with a black max framework.

Anybody at all?

I guess there are no Mauch users on here...

I'm not one, but I can say that as far as I know alignment is important, with an SNS the load line should be just behind the knee centre so that the cylinder can work. shouldn't be a problem if your socket is cast right... as for it's comparison with a Total Knee, I can't help there I'm afraid, I've not worn one of those...

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I'm a BKA, so I'm no help at all.

However that being said, a BKA I know was recently fitted with the Proprio (computerized ankle by Otto Bock). As soon as he stood up on it, he remarked "It's no Mauch." Apparently, back in the day there used to be a hydrolic (spelling?) ankle -- now defunct. He liked the hydrolic MUCH better than the new computerized ankle.

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hi ya

i have been a mauch xg user for 4yrs, prior to this i had demo on ultra knee, ottobok 3R80 and total. the mauch is a free swinging stance-phase unit so there is no weight-activated lock. alignment is easy but crucial and i would guess only pros who know the unit well will be able to get the alignment right. the unit is good, a compitent amputee would be able to walk very well at variable speed and learn to jog, ride a bike etc - maybe, i say maybe because all that would require extensive training and much much confidence. the biggest down sides to these 'none locking' hydraulic units is mainly two fold, firstly they require good strenght to be usable, and will 'deck' you often, though this will be a control fall.

my advice,

if you are strong, confident and wish to be a high-active amputee then the mauch sns is a good bet - but you will fall regular untill you master it. if you are not then i would stay clear and demo a weight-activated unit, but with this comes lower activity, as for the total knee well its opperation is a little opposit to the mauch in use and because its a 4-bar linkage has more motion-feel to the swing, but most if not all total users really like them - but i tell you now its difficult to swap between the two

gaza

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Thanks for your feedback gaza. I'm currently on a medipro much like a total knee,weight activated locking. I'm a TK by the way, not a real true AK. I find mine a bit slow for my activity level & would like to try the mauch...guess i would have to be prepared to fall often then <_<

hi ya

i have been a mauch xg user for 4yrs, prior to this i had demo on ultra knee, ottobok 3R80 and total. the mauch is a free swinging stance-phase unit so there is no weight-activated lock. alignment is easy but crucial and i would guess only pros who know the unit well will be able to get the alignment right. the unit is good, a compitent amputee would be able to walk very well at variable speed and learn to jog, ride a bike etc - maybe, i say maybe because all that would require extensive training and much much confidence. the biggest down sides to these 'none locking' hydraulic units is mainly two fold, firstly they require good strenght to be usable, and will 'deck' you often, though this will be a control fall.

my advice,

if you are strong, confident and wish to be a high-active amputee then the mauch sns is a good bet - but you will fall regular untill you master it. if you are not then i would stay clear and demo a weight-activated unit, but with this comes lower activity, as for the total knee well its opperation is a little opposit to the mauch in use and because its a 4-bar linkage has more motion-feel to the swing, but most if not all total users really like them - but i tell you now its difficult to swap between the two

gaza

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hi again,

well if its speed ur after i doubt there is anything faster than sns type knee units, and when i say fall alot well so long as the alignment is correct you only really fall when you go beyond ability and experience of the unit

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Marilyn, the Proprio foot is made by Ossur... You can check it out at Ossur.com if you wish.. It's pretty interesting in that it mimics the ankle when you are in a sitting position, allowing the foot to "drop" down so that you aren't sitting with the toes up in the air.. Saw several of them at the ACA conference.

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Hello to all, i need feedback on the mauch knee sns. I read that alignment is extremely important. Besides that, what advantages does this unit have compared to say, total knee? Pls leave feedback, all mauch users out there. I am thinking of getting a unit from Tru-life, with a black max framework.

Hi, I had six month trial on one 18 months ago, with Gaza's help I tried to make the knee work for me. I'm very active, work as a surveyor on and off building sites and such. The Mauch is very fast action but very very unpredictable. I fell in the road once in front of a car, which led me to call the Mauch a day. I since use a high spec total knee which is much safer. The Mauch is the faster leg on the market if you have the stump power to control it. Definitely not for the faint hearted, good luck with your choice :D

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Hi, I had six month trial on one 18 months ago, with Gaza's help I tried to make the knee work for me. I'm very active, work as a surveyor on and off building sites and such. The Mauch is very fast action but very very unpredictable. I fell in the road once in front of a car, which led me to call the Mauch a day. I since use a high spec total knee which is much safer. The Mauch is the faster leg on the market if you have the stump power to control it. Definitely not for the faint hearted, good luck with your choice :D

Falling in front of a car? Thats really unpredictabe & dangerous...i'll give it a try first, if i doesnt work out then i'll revert back to the locking type. Hopefully as a TK, my long stump will have more power & leverage to handle the mauch.

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Hello and to surveyor Paul.

the functionaliity of the Mauch is excellent, but I have a lo of learning to do.

Paul - guess you a building surveyis (RICS?) I do the same in the marine industry, ladders, eneven terrain, rolling decks too) etc. would be v interetsed to compare notes esp as I am new to all this.

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Hello and to surveyor Paul.

the functionaliity of the Mauch is excellent, but I have a lo of learning to do.

Paul - guess you a building surveyis (RICS?) I do the same in the marine industry, ladders, eneven terrain, rolling decks too) etc. would be v interetsed to compare notes esp as I am new to all this.

Hi Caveman, no ladders for me I would never get insurance. I work in building control NRAC access officer. I do climb steps and stairs, I audit sports stadiums, stately homes, Cathedrals you name it I've surveyed it.

I can walk for a hour but then I need a sit. The hardest thing I find is carrying kit, I sometimes take a junior BCO with me as a mule. I have been doing it for 5 years now, I am studing Post graduate course at university at the moment as I wish to train architects and surveyors on inclusive design.

For me prothstectic's are about function, I am not interested in gait or cosmetics. My prothsetist builds me legs that allow me to do my job and enjoy life. The Mauch for me was a disappointment but for younger fearless amps it's probably just the job. Horses for course's. ;)

I share my life between two legs, my custom Tec liner/Total knee & J-leg sprung Peg http://jleg-enabled.20fr.com/

Paul

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Hello to all, i need feedback on the mauch knee sns. I read that alignment is extremely important. Besides that, what advantages does this unit have compared to say, total knee? Pls leave feedback, all mauch users out there. I am thinking of getting a unit from Tru-life, with a black max framework.

Though I'm in "nothing" at the moment, I use a Mauch SnS, Black Max carrier, and Flexfoot VSP. Most classify me as "very active." For me, the Mauch works great. I do hit the ground from time to time. But can usually identify exactly what caused the fall- usually an error on my part. I am the type to do alot of experimenting and have found alignment and extension resistance to be the most critical adjustments to keep me off the ground. My father is a bilateral AK/BK since 1969 and has used the Mauch for @20+ years (Would you believe that basic design has been around since the 1950's!?) and wants nothing else. If you give it a try, give me a holler. I may be able to give you some tips.

I also have a Rheo knee with Ceterus foot. Some days me and the Rheo just don't jive. Then the Mauch feels like putting on a comfortable old shoe. I prefer the Mauch if I am walking in the woods, over logs, limbs, rocks and roots. Or around water. An added bonus with the Mauch is that it can be adjusted and used for running. As soon as I catch a running foot on eBay that I can afford, I'll be giving it a try. Maybe sooner. ;)

Oh, yeah, that is AFTER this little achilles thing heals <_<

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Though I'm in "nothing" at the moment, I use a Mauch SnS, Black Max carrier, and Flexfoot VSP. Most classify me as "very active." For me, the Mauch works great. I do hit the ground from time to time. But can usually identify exactly what caused the fall- usually an error on my part. I am the type to do alot of experimenting and have found alignment and extension resistance to be the most critical adjustments to keep me off the ground. My father is a bilateral AK/BK since 1969 and has used the Mauch for @20+ years (Would you believe that basic design has been around since the 1950's!?) and wants nothing else. If you give it a try, give me a holler. I may be able to give you some tips.

I also have a Rheo knee with Ceterus foot. Some days me and the Rheo just don't jive. Then the Mauch feels like putting on a comfortable old shoe. I prefer the Mauch if I am walking in the woods, over logs, limbs, rocks and roots. Or around water. An added bonus with the Mauch is that it can be adjusted and used for running. As soon as I catch a running foot on eBay that I can afford, I'll be giving it a try. Maybe sooner. ;)

Oh, yeah, that is AFTER this little achilles thing heals <_<

Great, i'll look for you once i have my leg fixed up. Alignment & extension resistance? I'll take note of that.

BTW, is it possible to walk UP the stairs step over step?

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Though I'm in "nothing" at the moment, I use a Mauch SnS, Black Max carrier, and Flexfoot VSP. Most classify me as "very active." For me, the Mauch works great. I do hit the ground from time to time. But can usually identify exactly what caused the fall- usually an error on my part. I am the type to do alot of experimenting and have found alignment and extension resistance to be the most critical adjustments to keep me off the ground. My father is a bilateral AK/BK since 1969 and has used the Mauch for @20+ years (Would you believe that basic design has been around since the 1950's!?) and wants nothing else. If you give it a try, give me a holler. I may be able to give you some tips.

I also have a Rheo knee with Ceterus foot. Some days me and the Rheo just don't jive. Then the Mauch feels like putting on a comfortable old shoe. I prefer the Mauch if I am walking in the woods, over logs, limbs, rocks and roots. Or around water. An added bonus with the Mauch is that it can be adjusted and used for running. As soon as I catch a running foot on eBay that I can afford, I'll be giving it a try. Maybe sooner. ;)

Oh, yeah, that is AFTER this little achilles thing heals <_<

Great, i'll look for you once i have my leg fixed up. Alignment & extension resistance? I'll take note of that.

BTW, is it possible to walk UP the stairs step over step?

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dont know what happend then!!!

anyway - walk down stairs step over step - yes. walk UP stairs step over step - not a chance for aka's

my mauch is set on number 8 for extention resist, but i have found latley that the resist falls away after a few hours and has to be turned to number 7 and back to number 8 - is suppose after 4yrs the cylinder its starting to show signs of wear

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walk UP stairs step over step - not a chance for aka's

I know a bloke that virtually runs up stairs leg over leg with a conventional single axis AK limb. Admittedly he has a long stump (actually a through knee), but it's pretty impressive never the less.

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thanks for the work related update Paul.

Carrying kit is a pain, carrying a full piolt case was a nightmaree. the best piece of kit I have is my Dainese rucksu in which I carry all my survey tools. Has the added benefoit of a built in back protector.

Had some major adjustment to the suction socket for the Mauch and can see its potential.

HAd the rheo last weekend and again the prognosis looks good.

I visualise the rheo as the day to day and the mauch when verstaility will be wanted ladders rather than stairs, cycling, and proximity to water.

Paul

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Perhaps Gaza can help stinker get one of those knees to do a trial run with. That would be nice. Always wanted to try that.

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FYI...

I've never worn had a Mauch knee, but thought this might be of interest of those of you who have, or are thinking about it.

There was an ad in this month's O&P Edge (US magazine) for "The New Mauch Knee. Because Great Wasn't Good Enough." Things it says are different are: The new cylinder attachment eliminates torsional and lateral loads on the cylinder; state-of-the-art bearings contribute to smoother motion and increased durability; protected by rubber covers, front and back, the aluminum frame combines strength with a sleek new design; extension stops added to the frame prevent hyperextension and increase the cylinder's lifetime.

Ad says that with improved stability, new materials and a sleek new look, it's outperforming its predecessor.

Karen :-)

AKA

Orlando, Florida

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FYI...

I've never worn had a Mauch knee, but thought this might be of interest of those of you who have, or are thinking about it.

There was an ad in this month's O&P Edge (US magazine) for "The New Mauch Knee. Because Great Wasn't Good Enough." Things it says are different are: The new cylinder attachment eliminates torsional and lateral loads on the cylinder; state-of-the-art bearings contribute to smoother motion and increased durability; protected by rubber covers, front and back, the aluminum frame combines strength with a sleek new design; extension stops added to the frame prevent hyperextension and increase the cylinder's lifetime.

Ad says that with improved stability, new materials and a sleek new look, it's outperforming its predecessor.

Karen :-)

AKA

Orlando, Florida

Hi Karen,

I use the new Mauch for my running leg and I love it., it is very smooth. The old one did not last long. You forgot to mention that you where in that magazine, Great job.

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I have used a Mauch knee since 1980 and when they work they work well. There have been problems with units breaking down with seals and piston problems. This last unit has been working well for a decade. When just this month I had new socket made the unit was pronounced fine when inspected. It looks like I will need a new foot soon so if anyone has info on good foots for an AK please let me know.

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S..T, my prost ordered the wrong cylinder and i'm having a catech swing only hydraulic unit. Does this mean there is no stance phase for this unit? i'm really pissed now.

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hi ya,

i think a catech cylinder belongs to the endolite group, its not a mauch cylinder, mauch belongs to the ossur group. catech cylinders come as swing only and swing and stance just like the mauch so it depends which one it is. dont know if a catech fits in a mauch cradle but then again if its now fitted it must do.

the catech cylinders are supposed to be ok but i have only ever used mauch cylinders so i have no idea which is best - does anyone have an opinion which is the better cylinder?

as far as swing only V's swing and stance i would only consider a swing and stance unit (SNS) so if its not and its what you want then your pro will have to change it

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hi everyone

GAZZA can you help please , i have a chanse to be fitted with the r380 ottobock knee , in your opinion are they ok , as i am very active .

at the moment i am fitted with the ip+

john

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